tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7221499500051138256.post5653900653357630708..comments2023-05-12T10:37:20.308-05:00Comments on Examining Calvinism: R.C. Sproul and the "Demons of Fatalism"Richard Coordshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05600859155973820653noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7221499500051138256.post-13075327813324962592014-02-17T00:18:17.073-05:002014-02-17T00:18:17.073-05:00No one can come to Christ unless the Father first ...No one can come to Christ unless the Father first draws him. John 6:44. Thus Calvinists believe that God's call is infallible--all who are drawn, come but He does not draw all (limited atonement based on Divine whim). Molinists believes He draws all, but only some accept. I prefer the latter. I think both theories need to incorporate a quanta of Open theism to account for quantum indeterminancy built into God's universe. Absolute Foreknowledge does not determine, but it does eliminate free will. If God knows with absolute certainty that at future time t, I will choose B, then the probability of B at time t is 100% and all other options have probability of 0 which mean they do not exist. The variance would be incredibly small, but vitally necessary for man to have free will and be accountable for his actions.BA Brightlighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04667036630054695059noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7221499500051138256.post-90890009789703258032012-06-21T20:01:54.193-05:002012-06-21T20:01:54.193-05:00God does whatever be pleases WITHOUT violating His...God does whatever be pleases WITHOUT violating His own Standards of holiness-- this is why it is written in the Scriptures that "It is IMPOSSIBLE for God to lie." Hebrews 6:18, and even His owns desires for blessing mankind may be limited by the Sins of men--<br />"How oft did they provoke Him in the wilderness, and grieve Him in the desert! Yea they turned back and tempted God and LIMITED the Holy One of Israel." Psalm 78:40-41Isaiah1v18https://www.blogger.com/profile/14874136018769745666noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7221499500051138256.post-26493580089738392912011-03-01T13:23:54.260-05:002011-03-01T13:23:54.260-05:00Enlighten me. What does not follow? Does God do ...Enlighten me. What does not follow? Does God do whatever He pleases (Ps. 135:6) or is there something greater than God and He's just stuck with the facts on the ground?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09301648487774699607noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7221499500051138256.post-12835146555772159582011-02-28T17:13:10.429-05:002011-02-28T17:13:10.429-05:00Wow, I lost count of the non-sequiturs in Kevin...Wow, I lost count of the non-sequiturs in Kevin's comment.J.C. Thibodauxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12884600822119690931noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7221499500051138256.post-43812570892310319842008-06-24T23:27:00.000-05:002008-06-24T23:27:00.000-05:00God could have put a stop to the line of Adam, but...<I>God could have put a stop to the line of Adam, but the result would have been "no you and me."</I><BR/><BR/>So much for libertarian free will...All those who would choose to reject Christ were firmly fixed to their destination of Hell. If God did not predestine some for mercy and pass over the rest, and yet we all agree that their destiny was fixed in eternity past before the creation of the world, is there something greater than God fixing the destiny of His creatures? Fate maybe?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09301648487774699607noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7221499500051138256.post-23545326338042879692008-05-24T17:42:00.000-05:002008-05-24T17:42:00.000-05:00Hello Stephen and Kujotx,I have update the attache...Hello Stephen and Kujotx,<BR/><BR/>I have update the attached link. I wanted to add some quotes to it.<BR/><BR/>To address Stephen's question, if God revealed to a parent that by having a certain child, that they would eventually grow up to reject God and ultimately perish in Hell forever, then it would be better for that person if they had never been born, rather than to spend eternity in Hell. Yet, God, in foreknowing multitudes who would ultimately grow up to reject Him,<BR/>allowed them to be born anyway. So it's therefore fair to ask why God wouldn't just stop them all from being born, in order to spare them of such a horrible outcome. <BR/><BR/>To answer, I would like to cite a parable by Jesus, and then offer my thoughts:<BR/><BR/>The parable of the "Wheat and the Tares" by Jesus at Matthew 13:24-30:<BR/><BR/>"Jesus presented another parable to them, saying, 'The kingdom of heaven may be compared to a man who sowed good seed in his field. But while his men were sleeping, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went away. But when the wheat sprouted and bore grain, then the tares became evident also. The slaves of the landowner came and said to him, "Sir, did you not sow good seed in your field? How then does it have tares?" And he said to them, "An enemy has done this!" The slaves said to him, "Do you want us, then, to go and gather them up?" But he said, <B>"No; for while you are gathering up the tares, you may uproot the wheat with them. Allow both to grow together until the harvest;</B> and in the time of the harvest I will say to the reapers, 'First gather up the tares and bind them in bundles to burn them up; but gather the wheat into my barn.'"'"<BR/><BR/>God could have put a stop to the line of Adam, but the result would have been "no you and me." This is why I think that God chose to allow Adam and Eve to bear offspring. Therefore, I do not feel that there is any difficulty over sovereignty or justice in the Arminian perspective.Richard Coordshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05600859155973820653noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7221499500051138256.post-7485399503138738662008-05-24T00:35:00.000-05:002008-05-24T00:35:00.000-05:00He talks about that here: http://www.examiningcalv...He talks about that here: http://www.examiningcalvinism.com/files/Complaints/cc_Foreknowledge.html<BR/><BR/>In Christ<BR/><BR/>kujotxKurt Johnsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17846505942158712743noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7221499500051138256.post-69878892269356313062008-05-21T13:23:00.000-05:002008-05-21T13:23:00.000-05:00Dear Brother:If you believe that God or a parent h...Dear Brother:<BR/><BR/>If you believe that God or a parent has foreknowledge, and knows in advance that one of his children was going to reject him and go to hell, and yet went ahead and brought that child into the world any way, then do you not have to answer your own difficult question about the sovereignty and justice of God?<BR/><BR/>God bless<BR/><BR/>StephenMy Daily Breadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11361448064913241482noreply@blogger.com